TWR Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I know of some practices that have already started vaccination for the flu. Is there a better time to begin? Some practices has been giving it for 3 weeks. Just concerned about the length of immunity if given in august. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 We are rolling them out now too. I think August is a good time given that it takes 2-3 weeks to mount a response. August vaccinations should cover for Fall which is typically "flu season." I'm beginning to see/tx URIs now so i know flu is around the corner. Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2012 fine to do now heard immunity had for 2 weeks check out cdc web site - have actually had some flu already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoClinic4Me Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 How about not giving that poison to patients and optimize their vitamin D3 levels? Dr. Mercola has many articles about flu vaccines and how ineffective they are. Please do your research on how useless the flu vaccine is before you start "shooting" that poison into people. There are better, safer ways to prevent the flu than the "claim to fame" flu vaccine (which rarely works). It is proven and all the CDC does is manipulate numbers by doing a relative risk instead of an absolute risk. I beg you to do your own research and stop this terrible vaccine. You can't be serious???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jen0508 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 i work in the ER, im going to refuse the flu vaccine this year and take vitamin D instead :heheh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoClinic4Me Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 i work in the ER, im going to refuse the flu vaccine this year and take vitamin D instead :heheh: This year, we are all mandated. All staff and all credentialed providers. I like the idea. Being an idiot shouldn't put your patients at risk. Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted August 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2012 How about not giving that poison to patients and optimize their vitamin D3 levels? Dr. Mercola has many articles about flu vaccines and how ineffective they are. Please do your research on how useless the flu vaccine is before you start "shooting" that poison into people. There are better, safer ways to prevent the flu than the "claim to fame" flu vaccine (which rarely works). It is proven and all the CDC does is manipulate numbers by doing a relative risk instead of an absolute risk. I beg you to do your own research and stop this terrible vaccine. http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jen0508 Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 This year, we are all mandated. All staff and all credentialed providers. I like the idea. Being an idiot shouldn't put your patients at risk. Pat i was joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paula Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 How about not giving that poison to patients and optimize their vitamin D3 levels? Dr. Mercola has many articles about flu vaccines and how ineffective they are. Please do your research on how useless the flu vaccine is before you start "shooting" that poison into people. There are better, safer ways to prevent the flu than the "claim to fame" flu vaccine (which rarely works). It is proven and all the CDC does is manipulate numbers by doing a relative risk instead of an absolute risk. I beg you to do your own research and stop this terrible vaccine. It's a good thing Dr. Mercola stopped practicing medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 ....... Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 31, 2012 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2012 How about not giving that poison to patients and optimize their vitamin D3 levels? Dr. Mercola has many articles about flu vaccines and how ineffective they are. Please do your research on how useless the flu vaccine is before you start "shooting" that poison into people. There are better, safer ways to prevent the flu than the "claim to fame" flu vaccine (which rarely works). It is proven and all the CDC does is manipulate numbers by doing a relative risk instead of an absolute risk. I beg you to do your own research and stop this terrible vaccine. wow - there is some ignorance for you read up little student - you have a lot to learn Why do people live longer these days? it is not CABG and Statins - it is running water, outdoor plumbing and vaccinations easy to poo poo vaccines, but they work beyond the shadow of any doubt - I am not talking about personal choice (not going there) but to say Vit D is the same as a flu shot just points out how uninformed you truly are.... or how beautiful of a trollllllll you are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cinntsp Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 How about not giving that poison to patients and optimize their vitamin D3 levels? Dr. Mercola has many articles about flu vaccines and how ineffective they are. Please do your research on how useless the flu vaccine is before you start "shooting" that poison into people. There are better, safer ways to prevent the flu than the "claim to fame" flu vaccine (which rarely works). It is proven and all the CDC does is manipulate numbers by doing a relative risk instead of an absolute risk. I beg you to do your own research and stop this terrible vaccine. Guess how I know you aren't actually a PA student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discogenic Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 I'm not coming to anyone's defense here, but as far as vaccines go, the data on flu vaccine is arguably the weakest. And vitamin D shouldn't be seen as some panacea, however there is some intriguing research suggesting immune benefits, so I don't see harm in making sure patients aren't D deficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted September 1, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2012 Guess how I know you aren't actually a PA student. oh please do share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToppDog Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Guess how I know you aren't actually a PA student. I'm liking you more & more :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrapa86 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Clinicians should be on the front lines leading by example on vaccinations. Refusing them is hypocritical - we practice evidence based and make risk vs benefit ratio decisions. The risk and complications of influenza far outnumber the risk of adverse events from the vaccination. EVEN if you are one of those misinformed people who still believe vaccinations cause autism, or think you will be that <1% chance of having GBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JMPA Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 How do you directly prove a vaccine works? If i don't have something and am exposed to it but dont get it, how do i know it was the vaccine and not other factors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Albert Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Has several articles on vitamin D. Would you like you or your family members to be injected with: Aluminum -- a neurotoxin that has been linked to Alzheimer’s disease Triton X-100 -- a detergent Phenol (carbolic acid) Ethylene glycol (antifreeze) Betapropiolactone - a disinfectant Nonoxynol - used to kill or stop growth of STDs Octoxinol 9 - a vaginal spermicide Sodium phosphate Also, The flu strains selected are cultivated in chick embryos for several weeks before being inactivated with formaldehyde, which is a known cancer-causing agent. Then they’re preserved with thimerosal, which is 49 percent mercury by weight. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/Flu-Vaccine-Exposed.aspx Paracelsus is spinning in his grave right now... Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator True Anomaly Posted September 4, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 4, 2012 Welp, guess there's nothing left to say. Good luck with the job search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliyoussefi Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Please close this thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planteater Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Are there PA programs out there that let you matriculate without all your required vaccinations (or titers), including the flu vaccine? Mine doesn't..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discogenic Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Prove your theory....show me proof and just because I am a student doesn't mean I have not worked in health care for years and also did my thesis work on vaccines... You did thesis work on vaccines, so I assume you have other citations besides Dr. Mercola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planteater Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I actually am SDA, so I decided to look this up. The SDA church has no official stance regarding vaccinations and leaves it up to individual choice. Here is a link to Loma Linda's PA program requirements, which states that they follow the CDC recommendations for immunizations of entering PA sutedents: http://www.llu.edu/allied-health/sahp/pa/prerequisites.page Kettering does not say on their website, but their hospital does offer vaccinations. So, you are definitely misinformed about the SDA stance on vaccines. Now, many may refuse and site religious reasons, since some vaccines contain blood from unclean meat sources (along with chemicals that they might find objectionable). However, it is a stretch to say we "don't believe in vaccines". Really TA??? How about all the 7th Day Adventist Medical Schools or Church of Christ PA schools, they don't believe in vaccines....so how do they graduate medical providers??? Show me proof on vaccines and if you can't then you can't argue anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 Ok, since you are a "PA Student", I am sure that you've had a class on "evidence based medicine". If you submit a real EBM paper (done by you), I'll be willing to look it over. However, just typing "So and so says.." isn't evidence, it's not even research. If you want to sway me over, you are going to have to do a pubmed search, evaluate the studies you find, and come up with enough evidence to support this. If I don't see a forest plot, I'm going to be very disappointed. I'm being serious here- here's a chance to convince me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planteater Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I am not sure why you are getting so defensive. I thought we were talking about PA programs here. I only know of 2 SDA PA programs, so those are the ones I mentioned. Loma Linda follows the CDC and Kettering does not say what they do on their website. I was not talking about all the SDA schools and hospitals out there- that would take me days to figure out since there are over 75 Adventist hospitals in the US alone. Also, the way you wrote the last post, it sounds like you are saying that Kettering is SDA & COC- that isn't true. They are two very different denominations. And, I will state it again- the SDA church has no official stance regarding vaccines- they leave that choice up to the individual. I don't know anything about COC or their views on vaccinations. May I ask how old you are? Well my entire family is SDA and again it is based on different areas of the country and there are tons of SDA hospitals/schools that do not require nor recommend them so I am not misinformed, it sounds to me that you have one school (Loma Linda) and there are several other schools like Kettering (SDA/COC) that don't follow all the rules of SDA of Church Of Christ...Just because one place does something different doesn't mean every SDA/COC is doing it...get real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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