Moderator ventana Posted August 13, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2020 VA letter for my new PCP (undecided as to rather I am going to go with this one - gotta find out more about her but that is a different topic) My point is it is Dr _________ DNP They are are identifying themselves as doctor...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) This never bothered me. We have doctorates in many subjects who have put in the time to earn that term, Doctor. I have no problem them referreing to themselves as Dr. so and so nurse practitioner. Physician is another story. I know I will be in the minority here though. Edited August 13, 2020 by Cideous 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANESMCR Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I can’t take that serious no matter how hard I try. That being said, I wonder what it’s like to be an NP treating a PA as a patient, referring oneself as a “doctor” whilst knowing your patient is more qualified with an even more misleading title. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 13, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cideous said: This never bothered me. We have doctorates in many subjects who have put in the time to earn that term, Doctor. I have no problem them referreing to themselves as Dr. so and so nurse practitioner. Physician is another story. I know I will be in the minority here though. I have, in the past, said that Doctor and Physicain should be reserved for MD/DO - and a select few others..... well no more - if you have earned a degree a the doctoral level you can call yourself doctor.... period 8 minutes ago, ANESMCR said: I can’t take that serious no matter how hard I try. That being said, I wonder what it’s like to be an NP treating a PA as a patient, referring oneself as a “doctor” whilst knowing your patient is more qualified with an even more misleading title. yeah, I need to find out how experienced she is. I have no issues with seeing a great MD./DO.NP/PA but a new grad who did 600 hours of clinical and an online course is not going to be my PCP 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cideous Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ANESMCR said: I can’t take that serious no matter how hard I try. That being said, I wonder what it’s like to be an NP treating a PA as a patient, referring oneself as a “doctor” whilst knowing your patient is more qualified with an even more misleading title. I'm not sure I agree with this. I won't call her Doctor, but if she wants it on her stationary then I could care less. Edited August 13, 2020 by Cideous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACali Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cideous said: This never bothered me. We have doctorates in many subjects who have put in the time to earn that term, Doctor. I have no problem them referreing to themselves as Dr. so and so nurse practitioner. Physician is another story. I know I will be in the minority here though. It doesn't bother me as well. NP has a doctorate degree, so they can be called Dr. John Doe DNP. The days are coming folks. We do not want to get left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Do you think patients will want to see Dr Practitioner or Joe Dr’s Assistant? Edited August 13, 2020 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACali Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, iconic said: Do you think patients will want to see Dr Practitioner or Joe Dr’s Assistant? They will want to see Joe Dr's associate lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac30 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 We're gonna find a way to be Physician's praxicianers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 13, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 13, 2020 I am leaning WAY far forward Change the name to PA - yup just PA Then make the degree DMSc then we are Doctor _________ PA the MD/DO is Physician - which should be protected.... but Just call me Doctor PA...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 My predecessor at the va strolled around and made her fellow pact members call her “dr”. She was universally hated by both the staff and the patients, mostly because her skills were not “dr”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator rev ronin Posted August 14, 2020 Administrator Share Posted August 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, thinkertdm said: My predecessor at the va strolled around and made her fellow pact members call her “dr”. She was universally hated by both the staff and the patients, mostly because her skills were not “dr”. I get called "Doctor" all the time, even by people I've seen for years and explained this to repeatedly. If I get a response, it's usually along the lines of "I don't care if you're a PA and not a doctor, you're MY doctor." I can't win. But then..."Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips." Prov 27:2. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANESMCR Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cideous said: I'm not sure I agree with this. I won't call her Doctor, but if she wants it on her stationary then I could care less. Safe to say nobody is stopping them from calling themselves Dr. nurses. Seems we are agreeable on actually referring to them as doctors. We do disagree on one thing. I don’t think they’ve put in the time to be called doctors clinically, non-clinically, or academically. Edited August 14, 2020 by ANESMCR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA-C Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Pac30 said: We're gonna find a way to be Physician's praxicianers. PA to PP. What an upgrade LOL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 We're gonna find a way to be Physician's praxicianers. Shame on you! Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I get called "Doctor" all the time, even by people I've seen for years and explained this to repeatedly. If I get a response, it's usually along the lines of "I don't care if you're a PA and not a doctor, you're MY doctor." I can't win. But then..."Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips." Prov 27:2.Amen [emoji1373] Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinkertdm Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 11 hours ago, rev ronin said: I get called "Doctor" all the time, even by people I've seen for years and explained this to repeatedly. If I get a response, it's usually along the lines of "I don't care if you're a PA and not a doctor, you're MY doctor." I can't win. But then..."Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth; an outsider, and not your own lips." Prov 27:2. Yup. I get called “doc” all the time, as these guys call the people who patch them back up “doc”. Corpsman, medic, doc...all get “doc”. Better than “bones” I guess. It does get me bit when I’m called “that PA” in their correspondence, because I do have a name. But meh, don’t lose sleep about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kargiver Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 MD/DOs are just physicians in my mind. Their education is on par with an undergraduate curriculum studied around the world for physicians... ala MB/BS. Times have changed, but once upon a time the only "Doctor" in my mind was the person who earned a PhD. That's true academic prowess (in the traditional sense of course) and as such I always thought they were the true "Doctors." With degree creep, I don't think the title is worth much anymore, and professional organizations are only serving their own best interests saying "this one can use the title "Doctor" and this one can't. Frankly, the title Doctor is an academic nomenclature, and if someone has earned it, well... G 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, kargiver said: MD/DOs are just physicians in my mind. Their education is on par with an undergraduate curriculum studied around the world for physicians... ala MB/BS. Times have changed, but once upon a time the only "Doctor" in my mind was the person who earned a PhD. That's true academic prowess (in the traditional sense of course) and as such I always thought they were the true "Doctors." With degree creep, I don't think the title is worth much anymore, and professional organizations are only serving their own best interests saying "this one can use the title "Doctor" and this one can't. Frankly, the title Doctor is an academic nomenclature, and if someone has earned it, well... G Agree. Dr Emedpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 What if I legally change my first name to "Doctor"? [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted August 17, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Joelseff said: What if I legally change my first name to "Doctor"? and then go to med school in England and become a surgeon...you would be Dr, Dr, Mr MD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Doctor_(UFO_song) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelseff Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 and then go to med school in England and become a surgeon...you would be Dr, Dr, Mr MDhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Doctor_(UFO_song)Hahaha I remember that song! [emoji3179] Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) I don't have a problem with DNP's intorduced as "Dr. XYZ as long as they add the suffix, "nurse practitioner", in the same breath. Edited August 17, 2020 by TWR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted August 19, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted August 19, 2020 12 hours ago, SERENITY NOW said: I have been told by NP colleagues that the courses added to get NPs to DNPs are academic courses, research based, etc. They are not clinical courses to get a doctorate level clinical education, which would be that of MDs/DOs. They can call themselves doctors in an academic environment all they want, but don't think they should be allowed to call themselves doctors in a clinical setting to patients. can't disagree but the horse have left the stable, the cat is out of the bag and so on.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPA28 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 It's not just the doctor title that is getting watered down. I have an undergrad engineering degree in electrical engineering. Back in those days, the term "engineer" was strictly used to define a graduate of an engineering degree program. No more. Now there are people doing fashion design at trade colleges that are calling themselves "fashion engineers." Business graduates are now calling themselves "financial engineers." Computer science majors are now "software engineers" instead of computer programmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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