njsurgpa Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Hey All! I was curious to know how many PAs on this forum were in some way compensated based on productivity? If you are willing to share your experience with this, it would be a good education to many PAs during salary negotiations. If you are uncomfortable posting on the thread, please feel free to PM me with some details. Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted November 4, 2011 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2011 good luck. I have tried repeatedly to go under productivity and never had any luck in convincing her employer's. As I consistently collect 3-350,000 per year and in billing well over 450k this is very frustrating. but..... CV is polished going out to find somewhere that will do this have read 2 interesting statistics recently. Total employment expense for PAs is about 50 percent of collections. salary is approximately 36 percent of collections. Average collections just under 250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator EMEDPA Posted November 4, 2011 Moderator Share Posted November 4, 2011 in my em pa group we get base pay+ productivity. productivity averages 22 dollars/hr across a group of 16 pa's with a high of 35/hr and a low of 12/hr. I think productivity is a 2 edged sword. sure, you can make more to do more but it encourages you to be sloppy. the guy at 35/hr has sketchy notes which I would not want to have to defend. I shoot for the middle of the pack or try not to think about it at all. sure, I will pick up a quick uti or dental pain before the start of a shift or at the end of a shift that I might not otherwise but I try to limit it to that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprillh Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Maybe this situation is more common in derm - I have been straight production compensation for the last 6+ years. I wouldn't have it any other way. It is highly motivating for the provider and the more the provider brings in, the more it benefits the practice too. I know quite a number of derm PAs who are on straight production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilso2ar Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I have base pay plus 20% of my collections after 2.5x my salary. I think this works out well. I am more likely to see that extra patient or stay late to do that extra procedure. I collected 250,000 last year which was low because we added another doctor. the year before that I collected 300,000. Adding the new doc cost me 10,000, so it does have some down sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njsurgpa Posted November 5, 2011 Author Share Posted November 5, 2011 Thanks for input. What other production plans are you seeing for Derm PAs? Ventana- where did you read those stats, I would love to reference for future use. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprillh Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Base + % collections. Less common is straight salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIPPER Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Base + productivity based on achieving tiered collections ( 10%, 25%, 50%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted November 6, 2011 Moderator Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thanks for input. What other production plans are you seeing for Derm PAs? Ventana- where did you read those stats, I would love to reference for future use. Thanks http://www.clinician1.com/posts/article/physicians_money_digest_article_on_pas/ physician money digest “The Medical Group Management Association has said that for internal medicine PAs, for every dollar in reimbursement received by a PA-provided service, PAs take out 56 cents in salary costs,” Wooten says. “Physicians take out upwards of 70 cents in salary for every dollar of revenue collected. Economically, we certainly are cost effective.” http://www.aapa.org/news_and_publications/pa_pro_now/item.aspx?id=2989&terms=pa%20md some reason I can't get it to download tonight - I have it saved on my work computer - it states salary is ~36% of collections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator ventana Posted November 7, 2011 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2011 http://www.clinician1.com/posts/article/physicians_money_digest_article_on_pas/ physician money digest “The Medical Group Management Association has said that for internal medicine PAs, for every dollar in reimbursement received by a PA-provided service, PAs take out 56 cents in salary costs,” Wooten says. “Physicians take out upwards of 70 cents in salary for every dollar of revenue collected. Economically, we certainly are cost effective.” http://www.aapa.org/news_and_publications/pa_pro_now/item.aspx?id=2989&terms=pa%20md some reason I can't get it to download tonight - I have it saved on my work computer - it states salary is ~36% of collections new file added to the files section http://www.physicianassistantforum.com/forums/downloads.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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